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		<title>By: Kate in Bellingham</title>
		<link>http://lucindamarshall.com/2009/09/13/riding-the-economic-roller-coaster-the-big-plunge-is-just-up-ahead/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate in Bellingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Randy- Bright Neighbor a great plan!  Transition Towns too, all of us working towards resiliency and local self-reliance. Connect with like-minded people in your town or neighborhood and get started!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Randy- Bright Neighbor a great plan!  Transition Towns too, all of us working towards resiliency and local self-reliance. Connect with like-minded people in your town or neighborhood and get started!</p>
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		<title>By: Lucinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And then there is this from The Guardian (UK) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/6186535/Lehman-collapse-12-months-on-and-the-financial-system-isnt-fixed-warns-Stiglitz.html

&quot;Governments have failed to rein in the size of banks sufficiently 12 months after the collpase of Lehman Brothers triggered a meltdown, Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz has warned.

Joseph Stiglitz warns banking problems are bigger than pre-Lehman
Joseph Stiglitz warns banking problems are bigger than pre-Lehman

Mr Stiglitz, who is former chief economist at the World Bank, told Bloomberg News that &quot;in the US and many other countries, the too-big-to-fail banks have become even bigger.

&quot;The problems are worse than they were in 2007 before the crisis.&quot;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then there is this from The Guardian (UK) <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/6186535/Lehman-collapse-12-months-on-and-the-financial-system-isnt-fixed-warns-Stiglitz.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/6186535/Lehman-collapse-12-months-on-and-the-financial-system-isnt-fixed-warns-Stiglitz.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Governments have failed to rein in the size of banks sufficiently 12 months after the collpase of Lehman Brothers triggered a meltdown, Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz has warned.</p>
<p>Joseph Stiglitz warns banking problems are bigger than pre-Lehman<br />
Joseph Stiglitz warns banking problems are bigger than pre-Lehman</p>
<p>Mr Stiglitz, who is former chief economist at the World Bank, told Bloomberg News that &#8220;in the US and many other countries, the too-big-to-fail banks have become even bigger.</p>
<p>&#8220;The problems are worse than they were in 2007 before the crisis.&#8221;"</p>
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		<title>By: Lucinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry, yes yet no--according to Cars.gov which is the official website for the program there is not an income tax issue, however, there may be a sales tax liability:

&quot;Do I have to pay State or local sales tax on the amount of the CARS program credit?

MAYBE. The question of whether a consumer must pay State or local sales tax on the amount of the CARS program credit depends on the sales tax law of each State or locality. Consumers should review the law of their respective States or consult a tax advisor to answer this question.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry, yes yet no&#8211;according to Cars.gov which is the official website for the program there is not an income tax issue, however, there may be a sales tax liability:</p>
<p>&#8220;Do I have to pay State or local sales tax on the amount of the CARS program credit?</p>
<p>MAYBE. The question of whether a consumer must pay State or local sales tax on the amount of the CARS program credit depends on the sales tax law of each State or locality. Consumers should review the law of their respective States or consult a tax advisor to answer this question.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Jauch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Jauch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I generally agree that the economy is likely to suffer more setbacks and end up giving us a much lower standard of living, I must point out an error in the cash for clunkers part. The rebates go dorectly to dealers to lower the price and are not considered income or subject to income tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I generally agree that the economy is likely to suffer more setbacks and end up giving us a much lower standard of living, I must point out an error in the cash for clunkers part. The rebates go dorectly to dealers to lower the price and are not considered income or subject to income tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, I agree that there are many things to rally behind and many wonderful local efforts to be proud of.  But I am not optimistic about the long term economic picture, let alone the long term environmental scenario.  

Regarding economics, Robert Reich&#039;s latest piece, http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2009/09/continuing-disaster-of-wall-street-one.html says the same thing regarding the banking industry in more detail,

&quot;Let&#039;s be clear: The Street today is up to the same tricks it was playing before its near-death experience. Derivatives, derivatives of derivatives, fancy-dance trading schemes, high-risk bets. “Our model really never changed, we’ve said very consistently that our business model remained the same,” says Goldman Sach&#039;s chief financial officer.

The only difference now is that the Street&#039;s biggest banks know for sure they&#039;ll be bailed out by the federal government.&quot;

&quot;The mega-bailout of Wall Street accomplished little. The only big winners have been top bank executives and traders, whose pay packages are once again in the stratosphere.&quot;

Yet without substantial reform, the nation and the world will almost certainly be plunged into the same crisis or worse at some point in the not-too-distant future.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, I agree that there are many things to rally behind and many wonderful local efforts to be proud of.  But I am not optimistic about the long term economic picture, let alone the long term environmental scenario.  </p>
<p>Regarding economics, Robert Reich&#8217;s latest piece, <a href="http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2009/09/continuing-disaster-of-wall-street-one.html" rel="nofollow">http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2009/09/continuing-disaster-of-wall-street-one.html</a> says the same thing regarding the banking industry in more detail,</p>
<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s be clear: The Street today is up to the same tricks it was playing before its near-death experience. Derivatives, derivatives of derivatives, fancy-dance trading schemes, high-risk bets. “Our model really never changed, we’ve said very consistently that our business model remained the same,” says Goldman Sach&#8217;s chief financial officer.</p>
<p>The only difference now is that the Street&#8217;s biggest banks know for sure they&#8217;ll be bailed out by the federal government.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The mega-bailout of Wall Street accomplished little. The only big winners have been top bank executives and traders, whose pay packages are once again in the stratosphere.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet without substantial reform, the nation and the world will almost certainly be plunged into the same crisis or worse at some point in the not-too-distant future.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Randy White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the gig is up, and the questions is, what do we do with all of those nuclear weapons? Gotta have unity on disarming the planet, but how to achieve that with so many different opinions? About the only thing that can kill us all so fast is nuclear war - besides that, we can pretty much work things out.

In Portland, the 40-year climate action plan was recently released, but there is no way to implement it.

Frankly, the feedback I receive from conversations among community organizers is that there isn&#039;t enough bite to a 40-year plan, people think they can put off rapid adaptation until some future date. 

With the release of Bright Neighbor 3.0 this November, we have outlined a general 4-year plan (open to feedback!) that any person, group, or organization can adopt when they choose to finally get some dirt under their fingernails and really get into the game.

Our new release is taking the Bright Neighbor system nation-wide, with the ability to track the successes, progress, and even failures for neighborhoods, streets, organizations, and business / government. We are incorporating metrics tools and measurements to quantify community efforts for status reports. These will be useful for tracking carbon measurements and other categories automatically generated with self-reported actions.

One neighborhood or group will be able to track their progress towards relocalization as compared to other neighborhoods. These reports will be useful to show community progress towards the suggestions and guidance outlined in the 4-year Bright Neighbor plan.

So there are plenty of people hard at work on things, no matter how dire the situation seems. 

Chin up Lucinda! There&#039;s a lot to rally behind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the gig is up, and the questions is, what do we do with all of those nuclear weapons? Gotta have unity on disarming the planet, but how to achieve that with so many different opinions? About the only thing that can kill us all so fast is nuclear war &#8211; besides that, we can pretty much work things out.</p>
<p>In Portland, the 40-year climate action plan was recently released, but there is no way to implement it.</p>
<p>Frankly, the feedback I receive from conversations among community organizers is that there isn&#8217;t enough bite to a 40-year plan, people think they can put off rapid adaptation until some future date. </p>
<p>With the release of Bright Neighbor 3.0 this November, we have outlined a general 4-year plan (open to feedback!) that any person, group, or organization can adopt when they choose to finally get some dirt under their fingernails and really get into the game.</p>
<p>Our new release is taking the Bright Neighbor system nation-wide, with the ability to track the successes, progress, and even failures for neighborhoods, streets, organizations, and business / government. We are incorporating metrics tools and measurements to quantify community efforts for status reports. These will be useful for tracking carbon measurements and other categories automatically generated with self-reported actions.</p>
<p>One neighborhood or group will be able to track their progress towards relocalization as compared to other neighborhoods. These reports will be useful to show community progress towards the suggestions and guidance outlined in the 4-year Bright Neighbor plan.</p>
<p>So there are plenty of people hard at work on things, no matter how dire the situation seems. </p>
<p>Chin up Lucinda! There&#8217;s a lot to rally behind!</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 04:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;m no economist&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m no economist&#8221;</p>
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